End Notes is our debrief session with the cast and/or crew of The End of Time and Other Bothers. This week, Mike asks the question that’s on everyone’s mind following Other Bothers Episode 4. Also on the agenda: levelling up, Sean’s lack of sleep, and a few other odds and ends from the run so far.
The Peeps This Week:
GM: Sean Howard
Darcy: Marisa King
Eggerton: Michael Howie
Blat: Carter Siddall
Engineer: Eli McIlveen
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Theme music plays.
ANNOUNCER (ELI)
The End of Time and Other Bothers: End Notes. Episode 4.
SEAN
So welcome to the End Notes, everyone, and let’s go with any questions.
MIKE
I have actually written down “What the F?” with a question mark.
Laughter.
MIKE
Um. And as much fun as it was to relive my teenage years, I… I feel like there was some metaphors going on that maybe I wasn’t too clear about. So I guess my actual question circles back to: “What the F?”
SEAN
So basically I saw it as a Disney version –
MIKE
It was very Alice in Wonderland-y.
SEAN
Yeah! It was Alice — you literally go down into a fae stone, that has a one-inch or two-inch gap in it, yeah, so you went down. And you had quite a crazy experience.
So the whole point of today’s session was to start a process — and we’re not going to do it every time — but where we can give some context to how you guys learn abilities. So one of the problems for me in D&D and Dungeon World is, you’re like,
(nerdy, nasal voice)
“Oh, I got this many Experience Points, so now I go up a level” — and suddenly you have all these new powers. So it’s like, “Oh, I can do Fireballs now!” So the idea is, because you guys were starting with no abilities really, aside from the few innate ones, the idea was to have a way in the Academy how do they teach? So how do you learn in the Academy?
(laughs)
So Eggerton’s learning — I’ll get there.
Laughter.
MARISA
He will get there.
SEAN
I’ll get there. So yeah, so basically in the assessment, a couple of you had choices. I think you know what those were. Did you know what the choices were in the assessment?
MARISA
No, I actually didn’t.
SEAN
OK.
MARISA
A choice to plummet to my death? Was that one of the choices?
SEAN
(laughs)
No, the assessment was in the last episode… you know when you had to choose the two books?
MARISA
Ohhh, yes, yes, I do remember that.
SEAN
So you all went into your books, was the last thing that happened. So this is what happened inside the books.
MARISA
Yeah, I get that. Right.
SEAN
So you had a choice between Fighter and –
MARISA
And the holy symbol.
SEAN
And you had — same.
CARTER
Fighter and the Demon.
SEAN
Demon, right. And…
MIKE
And I just had a book with a plant on it.
MARISA
It should have had cakes on it.
MIKE
Which actually I think was some kind of cool leaf from the southern reaches of Farloria where they just party all the time.
MARISA
(laughs)
SEAN
I think it was. Clearly. I think it was that leaf.
MIKE
Because everybody else had teachers.
Laughter.
MIKE
I had a mixing bowl that sounded like he was high, and then I thought “apple” and just decided the apples were going to be weird, and then I had to say “carrot” because Marisa’s wearing orangey pink right now…
SEAN
Can I have your sheet?
MIKE
Can you have my whole sheet?
SEAN
Just let me see it…
MARISA
Maybe they were spirit guides.
CARTER
The fact that the cake jumped in your mouth I thought was very forward.
MIKE
(laughs)
That… I actually genuinely thought of like three jokes and went, “I can’t say any of those.”
CARTER
Hmmm.
MARISA
Yeah, you can’t say those. But you should talk to a guidance counsellor at the school after that.
MIKE
(laughs)
SEAN
OK. So here’s, in a crazy way, what — so Eggerton is now a Level 1… basically Eggerton went up a level.
MIKE
Obviously.
SEAN
So Eggerton is a Level 1 Flightless Fairy Druid, which is a — again, we’re using Dungeon World and this is a homegrown, like we created a custom player sheet that you’re using. So I think what Eggerton was learning today was some of your starting moves, that you’ve never had, necessarily. Right? So you were learning Sustained By Nature…
MIKE
Mmm hmm.
SEAN
You can go into any situation and find a party? I don’t know.
MIKE
(laughs)
Sustained By Nature is, you don’t have to eat or drink anything.
SEAN
Yeah. So you now have access to all the food ingredients at any time. Your fae magical powers — you can access Fairy Cakes and all the things.
MIKE
I need to do some reading on the Fae.
SEAN
The Fae is weird. So that’s other thing about Fae. I wanted to play Fae as more — like, we didn’t go scary, I just went went crazy. But Fae can get really weird.
MIKE
Yeah, they can.
SEAN
So it was just trying to give you the ability that you can now call back to. If you wanted to justify a Sustained By Nature, you can do it from that blackout time period.
MIKE
Oh, OK.
SEAN
If you say you want to… “The grunts, barks, chirps and calls of the creatures of the wild…”
MIKE
Yeah.
SEAN
Or… the creatures of the bakery.
Laughter.
MIKE
OK. I had that thought, and then I went, “No, he’s not going to make sugar sentient. That would be weird.”
SEAN
Yeah, it was weird.
No, I did not know going in — one of you can ask what I knew going in — I guess I said it, so I’ll do it.
So basically, yeah. I was just giving you a way, a fun way to call back to some of these innate abilities.
MIKE
All right.
SEAN
Um, I had no idea going in that I was going to do that with you.
MIKE
(laughs)
SEAN
I had some — I had very limited ideas. We had already set up Blat.
MIKE
Yeah. That was a fun follow-through.
MARISA
Yes.
SEAN
With Darcy, I just knew the location. I was going to do the spire temple, but I had no idea what your challenge would be.
MARISA
Nether did I.
(laughs)
Obviously.
SEAN
So one of the things I’ve done with characters is the characters have a want, a must-have and a quirk, just a shorthand to make them different, and so as we’re roleplaying I’m just trying to — or improvving — I’m just trying to see what they’re driven by and what they would want.
(laughs)
So I don’t know if that explains… yours was very fun and bizarre, so thank you for going with me.
And Blat, yours was pretty straightf — well, I assume. I just wanted to play — I had to make the demon Reginald, tea-drinking…
CARTER
Sure. Yes.
MIKE
That was fun.
MARISA
Of course.
CARTER
It was that old Warner Brothers cartoon.
SEAN
Which one?
CARTER
Where the coyote and the sheepdog are constantly at odds…
SEAN
Yes!
MIKE
Yeah.
SEAN
And the bell goes off…
CARTER
And the bell goes off, and their day’s over and it’s like, “Well, see you tomorrow, Fred.”
MARISA
“Bye, Sam.”
CARTER
Yeah, that’s exactly what I thought of.
But, uh, have I screwed up this game now, by choosing bazooka?
SEAN
(laughing)
I… I don’t know if it’s going to be on it, but I was literally, I had a moment where I was like, “…you mother-effer.”
Laughter.
SEAN
I was like, “Never give…” I mean, that’s the thing with improv, right?
CARTER
Yeah! Yeah.
SEAN
You used it, you called it… and when you said “Bazooka” I was literally saying — in my head I was going, “You’re not gonna get a bazooka, you’re not gonna get a bazooka…” and then you were like…
MARISA
You should have given him a piece of chewing gum. That would have been great.
SEAN
Bazooka Joe.
MIKE
Well, yeah. Because I was thinking “claymore”, like a claymore mine…
MARISA
Oh yeah, yeah.
MIKE
…is also a type of sword. Bazooka Joe gum, that’s the same idea.
SEAN
Yeah.
CARTER
Well, too bad we didn’t think of that, and now I can…
MARISA
(laughs)
It’s canon.
SEAN
I have a bazooka.
CARTER
I can, yeah… I have a bazooka all the time.
MARISA
Oh no, that’s not going to be your weapon, is it?
SEAN
Yeah.
CARTER
It’s a bit of overkill..
MARISA
Oh, come on!
(laughs)
How are we not going to destroy everything?
CARTER
Well, first… in close quarters I can’t use it. If someone’s right in front of me I shouldn’t use it…
MARISA
(growls)
Carter Siddall!
CARTER
It’s a distance weapon.
MIKE
That’s also — you could play the Green Lantern power ring? Because –
CARTER
“Oh no! Yellow?!”
Laughter.
CARTER
“I’m helpless now!”
MIKE
No, not like that!
CARTER
“Oh no! Wood?! I can’t fight wood!”
What do you mean, you can’t fight wood?
SEAN
“You’re wearing yellow! Oh no!”
MIKE
I’m trying to have a very serious conversation about power rings here, Carter, and you’re not helping.
CARTER
I read the same DC comics that you did, and I find it weird that an alien race bestows unlimited power to one Earthling, but for some reason, wood and yellow are things that he can’t — you could throw a pencil at Hal Jordan and he’d be helpless.
MIKE
Yeah.
SEAN
A yellow pencil, uh-oh.
MIKE
Everybody needs a flaw. That’s what makes him believable.
CARTER
All right… it’s not quite the same level as Kryptonite, but OK.
MIKE
So anyway, the actual thought there was…
(laughs)
…it’s all based on what he can do in the moment with willpower.
CARTER
I see.
MIKE
So there’s maybe a built-in flaw that, you can’t just immediately go, “There’s an ant! Bazooka!”
CARTER
(laughs)
SEAN
No, I think he can! He has a bazooka.
MIKE
(laughs)
SEAN
So I had to give it to you.
MARISA
You couldn’t say “Scimitar.”
SEAN
I know. I had to give it to him.
MARISA
Or “Quarterstaff.” Or “Bow and arrow.”
CARTER
I was frightened; Reginald was very scary; I thought of the biggest weapon that I could. And it’s not my fault — I’m from a future time and have knowledge of such weaponry.
SEAN
Now the hard part is, you’re going to have to come up with a justification — which will be fun — for why your line of family has a link to bazookas.
CARTER
(laughs)
SEAN
But no, I had to — it was good. it was great. It was in character. I couldn’t say no.
CARTER
That’s the lesson, kids: if it’s in character, you can do whatever you want.
MIKE
(laughs)
SEAN
That was awesome. I was like, “Aw, son of a bitch, he has a bazooka.”
Darcy… so this is cool, because in the previous ones we’ve recorded, Darcy has this strength to her
MARISA
Mm hmm.
SEAN
And what I thought was interesting about the roleplay we were doing, and the improv was, Darcy doesn’t really know that about herself.
MARISA
Mm hmm.
SEAN
Right? Like, that really came through for me, but… She’s not giving up. And it’s somehow tied to her relationship to this god, but she doesn’t even know — you know what I mean? She doesn’t know the god, she doesn’t know she has this trait.
MARISA
Yeah, no. Darcy just believes she has a fatal flaw.
SEAN
So I thought that was cool. So what I was doing with you — we didn’t really go into it a lot, but basically, when you do that meditation, you’re basically going to be given your first — so we can roleplay that another time, or that can just happen in the past, but when you finally get around to saying, “I think I’m gonna try that” — and maybe you don’t for a while. But when you finally do that, that’s Commune [emphasis on the wrong syllable]. ComMUNE. “COMmune” — that’s, you join a commune.
MARISA
I join a commune to commune.
SEAN
(laughing)
I think you’ve already joined a — what was it, you guys? Wasn’t that the line? What was it, Carter, you said? “Is this a…”
CARTER
“Is this a cult?”
MARISA
Yup.
SEAN
So basically I was setting up that the first time you now do Commune, the goddess will answer and grant you your spells, and your — and you could also do it…
MARISA
My rote.
SEAN
So we’ve decided to house-rule Rote. In Dungeon World the spells are a little different, so we’ve decided to let the rotes, which are like cantrips in D&D, just be always available. So you’ll be picking one of those and then your spells the first time you do Commune.
MIKE
One of my notes is “Apron”…
SEAN
Oh, God.
MIKE
And I don’t know how much of this is actually going to make it into the episode, but Sean, being the dedicated GM he is, was working — he’s an excellent professional photographer, and he was working until 6 AM — got home and slept for what we were told was four hours initially, and as the day has gone on, we have noticed certain flaws in Sean’s, uh…
MARISA
Reasoning?
CARTER
Just gaps in thinking.
SEAN
(laughing)
Little gaps.
MIKE
I was going to say intelligence, but I guess those are also polite ways of saying it.
MARISA
Why do you think you were talking to sugar and carrots?
MIKE
(laughs)
CARTER
It all makes sense now!
SEAN
I don’t know where that came from.
Laughter.
SEAN
And Eli, did you have any End Notes?
Oh, we also learned that Sean can’t say… “Moira”.
MIKE
Moira.
CARTER
Moira.
ELI
“Moira”, “chrysanthemum”…
MARISA
Yeah, chrysanthe — you went with it. That’s canon.
SEAN
“You see some chrysanthees.” That’s canon now.
CARTER
That’s just a flower in this world.
SEAN
Yeah.
ELI
So I was just curious, why Level 0? Why are they starting there?
SEAN
OK. That’s a good question.
(laughs)
It’s funny we’re doing it now, after Episode 3. Let’s explain!
Uh… why Level 0. So we were starting everyone in the future, where there’s no magic, so that put an instant constraint on what’s available, so partly to justify that, partly because I wanted to play a game where you could get used to some core moves, and then I wanted to justify the levelling-up.
So now you’re Level 1! Yay!
Half-hearted cheering.
CARTER
And now the show really starts.
SEAN
Yeah. And now I think we’ll all be together. So we’ve been doing a lot as separates just to get the party together, though you’ve had little sessions together, and now hopefully we’ll spend more time together.
MIKE
Sean’s making a disturbing hand motion.
SEAN
Unless one of you just runs for it. But you know.
MARISA
Well, if he keeps talking to baking supplies… we might.
MIKE
(laughs)
You know, that’s the fun part about doing this kind of a thing, where it’s a combination of roleplay and improv, is, I have to continue — like, I can’t say, “That’s not happening, you’re insane.”
SEAN
Right.
MIKE
So it’s, “Oh yeah. That’s just happening.”
MARISA
(laughs)
Exactly.
MIKE
And how would I manage this, as the character? I have no idea! Because I don’t know how to manage you pretending that this is a thing, let alone how my character would manage this as a real thing…
SEAN
(laughs)
Are you Eggerton right now or Michael? Because…
MIKE
It’s a little bit of both. Little bit of both.
MARISA
And what our listeners can’t see is, during that whole section Michael had a WTF look on his face the whole time.
Laughter.
SEAN
He did.
ELI
He’s not the only one!
MIKE
I’m sitting with — I’m actually going to post a picture of this, because I find it quite funny. Eli’s behind me, running the sound, and everyone keeps looking over my shoulder at him. And I can’t turn around, because the chair will creak and I’ll fall over. So during that kind of stuff, I’m sort of,
(weakly)
“Ha ha ha, the sugar’s talking to me! That’s fun!” And I see everyone kind of laughing and then look over my shoulder, and I hear Eli kind of giggling off in the distance. It gets very confusing.
MARISA
And I also enjoyed — in fact, I could see we were all interested in the storyline Carter was going to come up with for the theatrical…
Laughter.
MIKE
Yes, that was amazing.
MARISA
…spectacle that he’d watched.
CARTER
It sounds like a very touching story and I would like to see it.
MARISA
I’d like to know the title of that, yeah.
MIKE
That actually sounds like something we could go see tonight though. Like, at a community theatre.
MARISA
Absolutely.
SEAN
That was awesome. That story you came up with — that was awesome.
MARISA
We’ll be performing that a month from now…
MIKE
And thank you for supporting community theatre, everyone.
ELI
Oh, for sure.
And that — I probably shouldn’t say too much, but that complicates some of the bigger arc.
SEAN
Yeah.
MARISA
Oh great. We don’t know what that is…
MIKE
Uh-oh.
CARTER
What, the existence of theatre?!
MARISA
No, the existence of the bazooka.
CARTER
Oh.
ELI
All of the above, but yes.
SEAN
All of the above, yeah.
MIKE
So Carter just ruined the story.
CARTER
Don’t hate the playa, hate the game!
SEAN
(laughs)
MIKE
Carter made a gang sign while doing that.
SEAN
So today, um…
Bleah, I can’t talk. I — how many minutes now? I had seven minutes of sleep.
CARTER
…minutes of sleep, yeah. Plus whatever micro-nap you just took while we were talking.
Laughter.
SEAN
So today we re-recorded the opening to Episode 2. And part of that was because Sean couldn’t do an accent, to be honest… well, two, there were two voices that I was messing up.
CARTER
(sing-song, Borat-like accent)
“I am from the southern United States…”
Laughter.
CARTER
(his own accent)
“What? I’m sorry?”
(Southern accent)
“That’s right, I’m Southern!”
(his own accent)
“Well, you sound Southern now…”
(cartoon Italian accent)
“A‑good, now follow me…”
(his own accent)
“No, that’s — you lost it again.”
SEAN
(laughing)
That was totally the episode. And then I changed a voice. So… we also wanted to be faster, because the second half of Episode 2 was so long. So when we redid Episode 2 — when we originally ran it, I had created this briefing sheet. And that was a really bad decision, because… it was like an episode of SG‑1, it was just –
MIKE
I don’t know why you hate.
Laughter.
MIKE
It was a wonderful science fiction show — made in Canada — and the wonderful ones where every alien world they went to kinda looked like right outside of Vancouver.
SEAN
So basically the idea in the original Episode 2, we had a lot of great improv, and then we get to this scene and it’s just me doing exposition and trying to explain the world, it was pretty boring, in the — what did you call it? The Sean Female Voice? The Standard Sean Female Voice.
MARISA
Yeah. Standard Female.
SEAN
And it wasn’t that funny. And when we were re-recording this, I was like, we should just make it an improv game. And so I enjoyed that so much better, with you guys just coming up with title ideas…
MARISA
For the slides.
SEAN
That was great. I thought that was great. I have no idea what material we covered, but it was so much fun.
MIKE
It was interesting because it’s sort of, “It’s a fun game, but I feel like we’re not actually getting to some of the important info” — and then you just sort of, you did a pivot. And it was interesting to watch, I was sort of like, “improv fun, improv, improv fun — PLOT. Improv fun, improv…” So it gets worked in nicely.
MARISA
So it was a stark difference between that and the complete lack of information you had in your talking sugar and talking carrots…
MIKE
I… I’m actually… that’s going to haunt me.
Laughter.
MIKE
Because — and it was the voices, and you started doing voices, and Carter did a voice, and then you were singing…
MARISA
It just sounded like so much fun! I wanted that to be my experience.
ELI
Anthropomorphized food is just freaky. Like… why.
MIKE
I don’t think it’s — is it anthro… is it “agropomorphized” if it’s food?
MARISA
(laughs)
It’s like those popcorns at the movie theatre…
CARTER
(sings the old cinema jingle)
“Let’s go out to the lobby…”
SEAN
With the helmets?
MARISA
Yes! And I’m always so depressed, because people are eating the popcorn! It’s so sad.
SEAN
It is sad.
CARTER
They seemed happy about it…
Laughter.
MARISA
That’s what they want you to believe!
ELI
Yeah!
SEAN
All right, so that’s been an End Note. I’m Sean the GM…
MARISA
I’m Marisa, I’m Darcy…
CARTER
I’m Carter, I’m Blat…
MIKE
I’m Mike, I’m Eggerton.
SEAN
Thank you guys so much for listening.
Theme music plays.
OUTTAKE
SEAN
(laughing)
No, I don’t remember anything…
MARISA
Seven minutes of sleep.
SEAN
Yep.
MIKE
Six. I think we’re around six.
CARTER
Six minutes of sleep. Who are you again?
Laughter.
SEAN
“Mora.”